Lee Trundle
6:16 Mon Jan 8
Re: Mubama
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Was Mubama that prolific?
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/divin-mubama/leistungsdaten/spieler/670848/plus/0?saison=ges
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North Bank
6:10 Mon Jan 8
Re: Mubama
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Rossai good post mate, anyone expecting an 18 year old striker playing for a side that struggles in the last third to rip it up, needs to look a bit deeper to where the issue lies. We've seen our top PL goalscorer struggle along with Scamacca & Haller, who are both excellent strikers, we've even made Danny Ings who has a decent scoring record at his previous club look like Iain Dowie.
Mubama & Marshall are prolific at U21's for a pair of 18 years olds and coached correctly they could become top players, but I have very little confidence that our first team coaches have the skillset to bring the best out of them
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Rossal
6:03 Mon Jan 8
Re: Mubama
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"His movement was not very good by any stretch. If anything, he’s actually a bit lazy.
We all want him to be a success, but he won’t be. He doesn’t have the basics."
Must of been watching a diff game because don't agree with that at all
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Lee Trundle
5:58 Mon Jan 8
Re: Mubama
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I've been one of the ones more vocal for Moyes to give him some more game time.
If I'm brutally honest, then I've never been impressed with him when he has played.
Isn't his contract up at the end of the season? He won't be loaned out, if that's the case, and he won't be getting a new contract from us the way things are going.
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Gaffer58
5:54 Mon Jan 8
Re: Mubama
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Does he need loaning out to the championship or league 1 to toughen him up, he can usually bully the defenders in the youths but against premiership defenders who in theory are the quickest and fully matured he doesn’t stand a lot of chance. Also as Moyes expects him to play as a defender 10 yards outside out box. So having a season where the game is more physical may help him.
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BillC79
5:54 Mon Jan 8
Re: Mubama
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I thought he did better in the second half, and actually was more lively when he went out to the right wing. Couple of nice touches, played a decent ball through to Bowen in the first half that almost led to a one on one, did a nice bit of skill that should have won a free kick in a dangerous area. Bit early to judge.
What I didn't like though was his lack of challenging for the aerial duels. He didn't even jump half the time - a basic of football is that there should never be an unchallenged ball
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Ron Eff
5:47 Mon Jan 8
Re: Mubama
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He’s not good enough, it doesn’t matter how you play him or who with.
His movement was not very good by any stretch. If anything, he’s actually a bit lazy.
We all want him to be a success, but he won’t be. He doesn’t have the basics.
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Rossal
5:33 Mon Jan 8
Re: Mubama
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He was poor yesterday but he was also a lamb to the slaughter the way we play
His movement and runs are actually very good, the problem he had yesterday is that Fornals JWP and Soucek are incapable of passing the ball forward
The majority of time we go backwards and sideways till it reaches the back 4.....they then get pressed rolled it back to Fab who punts it up field
Now although he needed to be more physical up there......no 18 year old on the planet with his experience would have got much change out of 2 championship centre halves the way we were playing
Yes he could have done better on the ball at times, but looked like ever time he got it he was trying to hard after having fuck off to live off for the first half hour he was on
Too early to write him off, but if we play him please play some fucking out and out wingers and a no10 to give him some service
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Eerie Descent
4:12 Mon Jan 8
Re: Mubama
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I am far from a fan of this manager, I can't fucking stand him. However, one on one training, being a special player, it's all by the by. Anyone who knows their football can see this lad does not have the fundamentals, sadly.
To be honest, I've been shocked at how bad he is on the admittedly few occasions he gets the ball to feet. It's like a bar of soap.
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Come On You Irons
4:09 Mon Jan 8
Re: Mubama
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There was a moment when we were under the cosh at the start of the second half and Mumaba received the ball and gave it straight back to Bristol City. Pathetic play. Moyes was absolutely livid with him on the touchline, and rightfully so.
I doubt we will ever see the League 1 standard chump start another game under Moyes.
I can see Ings as the preferred forward sub going forward. Moyes will not trust a player in Mubama who is quite patently out of his depth at this level.
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Russ of the BML
4:00 Mon Jan 8
Re: Mubama
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Moyes tends to throw players in and sees if they sink or swim. I wonder how much one on one work he has done with Mubama to prepare him for the way we play? Knowing what I know about Moyes attitude to youth players from sources within the club, I would guess very little.
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threesixty
3:57 Mon Jan 8
Re: Mubama
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I think like most of us we desperately want to see our youth players make it at this club.
But I’m also looking at the reality of what is happening. The youth team obviously plays a different way to the senior side and has done for a while now. Why that’s allowed to happen I do not know, but the reality is you can’t look at any of our youth as likely to make it. It’s not designed to.
Secondly, what we need to make the difference for us to move into regular top 4/6 team is actually amazing players. Not just “ok”. And this is because of the way Moyes sets up. We rely on individual skill and brilliance rather than a team drilled to produce results. The players who we rely on are amongst the best in the whole league / Europe (Kudus, paqueta, Bowen).
So expecting a player like Mubama to make it here is probably just silly of us. And I feel sorry for him as he’s done everything he can to be where he is, but the next step in this particular team looks impossible.
Moyes needs “Arnie” level ability up top. That’s what kudus etc are. Players who can do it on their own. Mubama is not that. And I don’t think there are many strikers in the world like that for the money we would pay. This is why he’s always looking to convert people into that 9 position. The striker Moyes wants just don’t exist outside of the Hallands and Mbappes 100m gang.
I’ll be surprised if he ever buys an out and out no.9 for the 1st team. (Or if one ever works if he does get one). Moyes seems far happier converting players for that role.
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scott_d
3:18 Mon Jan 8
Re: Mubama
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I often wonder how average Aguero could be made to look in our side?
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scott_d
3:16 Mon Jan 8
Re: Mubama
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Haller, Hernandez, Scamacca, even Ings have had success before West Ham and mostly after too.
I don't really think Mubama has looked much worse than any of the above which suggests to me that the problem isn't necessarily the player.
Perhaps Mubama should be given a chance alongside Bown and Kudus, with Paqueta pulling strings in midfield?
It won't happen under Moyes though as he clearly hates our youth team.
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Willtell
2:58 Mon Jan 8
Re: Mubama
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daveyg 11:20
Good accurate post.
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Eerie Descent
1:43 Mon Jan 8
Re: Mubama
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I don't want to be too harsh on the lad, as West Ham is a striker's graveyard under the dinosaur manager, but unfortunately, you can see from how he controls a football (as in he can't control a football) and his touch in general that he won't be a PL striker.
With the amount of top training he would've received over the years, if he hasn't got those basics by now, then it's not going to happen for him. Hopefully he finds a path and has a good career in the lower leagues, no guarantee though.
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Sir Alf
1:20 Mon Jan 8
Re: Mubama
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As mentioned Mubama indeed resembles a young Frank Nouble. At a young age their physicality makes them effective but that is negated at the top level and you have to have great technique, Blistering pace and or great finishing or all the above. Mubama looks like a good honest lad but has none of these and looks destined for lower league career. We hope to be proved wrong but the odds are firmly stacked against him being a Premiership player and at West Ham imho
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Iron Duke
1:10 Mon Jan 8
Re: Mubama
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More like Frank Nouble. I just checked his wiki profile- fuck me he’s had some clubs
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Admiral Lard
1:02 Mon Jan 8
Re: Mubama
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Mubama will end up like Freddie Sears. Simply not good enough for the Premier League but just about decent in League One or possibly the Championship.
He should be loaned out for a season, if anyone will have him.
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daveyg
11:20 Mon Jan 8
Re: Mubama
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Antonio is shit under Moyes and he is the most prominent striker under Moyes.
Bowen has looked shit at times as a loan striker.
If a striker was running around looking like a headless chicken because the team behind him are so deep you would still look shit.
This is what happens under Moyes. Everyone is to blame but the clueless vampire blood taking manager but Yoyo,Two and the rest of the Moyes fan club can't see this. The evidence is all out there.
If Mubama had been given as many minutes as Benrhama or Ings or even better minutes in virtually every game,this entirely possible as there has been every game when subs have not been utilised then we would have a better picture.
I Still see the Mubama that changed the game against Burnley.
What the other youth team players must think when they watch this shit treatment of their fellow team mates JC knows.
Moyes must go for the benefit of everyone otherwise the club will fall further behind the likes of Villa and Brighton
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Mr Anon
10:35 Mon Jan 8
Re: Mubama
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RdUeSpSrEeLsLsed 8:49 Mon Jan 8
Re: Mubama
Haaland would looks as shit in this Moyesball way of playing when the creative players are missing.
Does everyone think there are no strikers out there that suit counter attacking football? Granted they need more than others but they do exist
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